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		<title>By: MarkC</title>
		<link>http://www.jackofravens.com/2006/10/17/who-really-writes-the-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-3085</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann - I do agree.  There are several parallels between Sheldrake and Jung&#039;s collective unconscious too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann &#8211; I do agree.  There are several parallels between Sheldrake and Jung&#8217;s collective unconscious too.</p>
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		<title>By: ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This occurrence is not confined to writers but visual artists also. It is the nature of creativity that once you open up or enter into the stream of it the whole universe supports you with synchronicities and gifts to spur you on. Creativity is also, at its root, not personal and when we tap in we have access to everything that is known by humankind which is why you uncover truths that you have had no access to consciously. Rupert Sheldrake&#039;s morphic resonance could explain this. Many great artists have asserted that their best work existed outside of themselves and they brought it forth like a medium fully formed. It is the quality of the channel, when we take the idea and apply our vision fully in an authentic way, that we make the artwork personal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This occurrence is not confined to writers but visual artists also. It is the nature of creativity that once you open up or enter into the stream of it the whole universe supports you with synchronicities and gifts to spur you on. Creativity is also, at its root, not personal and when we tap in we have access to everything that is known by humankind which is why you uncover truths that you have had no access to consciously. Rupert Sheldrake&#8217;s morphic resonance could explain this. Many great artists have asserted that their best work existed outside of themselves and they brought it forth like a medium fully formed. It is the quality of the channel, when we take the idea and apply our vision fully in an authentic way, that we make the artwork personal.</p>
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		<title>By: thehunter</title>
		<link>http://www.jackofravens.com/2006/10/17/who-really-writes-the-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>thehunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Nov 2006 23:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  What a subject.  I have had a few odd experieces - don&#039;t we all - where I have sat down to write an outline of a novel, chapter by chapter, a rough idea and sketch...I have walked into a bookshop and honest to goodness, there I found a book in a similar vein.  This slays me, each time it happens.  I invariably have to buy them anyway, to see if they are anything like what I imagine and invariably the similarities are there...spooky!

I tend to think there are a finite number of stories out there and somehow those with the ability to tap into these, into the shared subsconsious, are the creative types, the poets, the songwriters, the writers. 

And this partial from Breakfast is what gives me the abdabs: &quot;...or because the human mind can interact with its surroundings in a way that extends around time?&quot;

The inevitable quote is...&quot;there are more things...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  What a subject.  I have had a few odd experieces &#8211; don&#8217;t we all &#8211; where I have sat down to write an outline of a novel, chapter by chapter, a rough idea and sketch&#8230;I have walked into a bookshop and honest to goodness, there I found a book in a similar vein.  This slays me, each time it happens.  I invariably have to buy them anyway, to see if they are anything like what I imagine and invariably the similarities are there&#8230;spooky!</p>
<p>I tend to think there are a finite number of stories out there and somehow those with the ability to tap into these, into the shared subsconsious, are the creative types, the poets, the songwriters, the writers. </p>
<p>And this partial from Breakfast is what gives me the abdabs: &#8220;&#8230;or because the human mind can interact with its surroundings in a way that extends around time?&#8221;</p>
<p>The inevitable quote is&#8230;&#8221;there are more things&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MarkC</title>
		<link>http://www.jackofravens.com/2006/10/17/who-really-writes-the-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that fits the branes/string theory model.  Of course, it means there is a universe somewhere filled with Guy N Smith&#039;s giant crabs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that fits the branes/string theory model.  Of course, it means there is a universe somewhere filled with Guy N Smith&#8217;s giant crabs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. If the whole parallel and/or infinite universe(s) shennanigans is correct, then somewhere, somewhen, somehow, the stories that writers write &lt;i&gt;have already happened&lt;/i&gt;. And if there &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; an infinite number of universes, then there must - by definition - be one in which fiction writers are simply those people who have the ability to sub-consciously channel the histories of other (parallel) universes and then write what they &#039;imagine&#039;. 

So why shouldn&#039;t that particular universe (or sub-set of universes) be our own...?

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick entirely (no quantum physicist, me...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. If the whole parallel and/or infinite universe(s) shennanigans is correct, then somewhere, somewhen, somehow, the stories that writers write <i>have already happened</i>. And if there <i>are</i> an infinite number of universes, then there must &#8211; by definition &#8211; be one in which fiction writers are simply those people who have the ability to sub-consciously channel the histories of other (parallel) universes and then write what they &#8216;imagine&#8217;. </p>
<p>So why shouldn&#8217;t that particular universe (or sub-set of universes) be our own&#8230;?</p>
<p>Or have I got the wrong end of the stick entirely (no quantum physicist, me&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the themes in Marks&#039; books is significant co-incidence and it does seem to me that perhaps the easiest way for any outside intelligence to interact with ourselves is co-incidence, a dice that falls one way rather than another, a shuffle of cards that brings some to the top and pushes others down, the tangle of dropping yarrow stalks. I also find it interesting how people who believe in the use of Affirmations or Prayer or Chaos Magic seem to find that co-incidence works in their favour. Is this because they are working like Llonio in Lloyd Alexander&#039;s wonderful Prydein stories, or because the human mind can interact with its surroundings in a way that extends around time?

I find neither of those options unappealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the themes in Marks&#8217; books is significant co-incidence and it does seem to me that perhaps the easiest way for any outside intelligence to interact with ourselves is co-incidence, a dice that falls one way rather than another, a shuffle of cards that brings some to the top and pushes others down, the tangle of dropping yarrow stalks. I also find it interesting how people who believe in the use of Affirmations or Prayer or Chaos Magic seem to find that co-incidence works in their favour. Is this because they are working like Llonio in Lloyd Alexander&#8217;s wonderful Prydein stories, or because the human mind can interact with its surroundings in a way that extends around time?</p>
<p>I find neither of those options unappealing.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breakfast, that is indeed, according to some,  the flaw in synchronicity. See for example The Science of Discworld, chapter 22 &quot;Nine Times out of Ten&quot; for a discussion of coincidences, probability and sample spaces. On p. 254, the authors write &#039;What we must not do, then, is to look back at past events and find significance in the inevitable few that look odd. ... Every pattern of raindrops on the pavement is unique. We&#039;re not saying that if one such pattern happens to spell your name, this is not to be wondered at - but if your name had been written on the pavement in Beijing during the Ming dynasty, at midnight, nobody would have noticed.&#039;

On the other hand, Deepak Chopra once wrote in Namaste, April 2001: &#039;The fact that something hasn&#039;t happened on other occasions doesn&#039;t diminish the miracle when it does happen.  That may not be what&#039;s currently called a scientific viewpoint, but it fits the definition of magic.&#039;

So, which viewpoint do we want to follow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breakfast, that is indeed, according to some,  the flaw in synchronicity. See for example The Science of Discworld, chapter 22 &#8220;Nine Times out of Ten&#8221; for a discussion of coincidences, probability and sample spaces. On p. 254, the authors write &#8216;What we must not do, then, is to look back at past events and find significance in the inevitable few that look odd. &#8230; Every pattern of raindrops on the pavement is unique. We&#8217;re not saying that if one such pattern happens to spell your name, this is not to be wondered at &#8211; but if your name had been written on the pavement in Beijing during the Ming dynasty, at midnight, nobody would have noticed.&#8217;</p>
<p>On the other hand, Deepak Chopra once wrote in Namaste, April 2001: &#8216;The fact that something hasn&#8217;t happened on other occasions doesn&#8217;t diminish the miracle when it does happen.  That may not be what&#8217;s currently called a scientific viewpoint, but it fits the definition of magic.&#8217;</p>
<p>So, which viewpoint do we want to follow?</p>
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		<title>By: Breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been working on a story setting for a long while and from time to time when I&#039;m reading up on history things will have happened in exactly the way the model I&#039;m creating would expect them to, sometimes to the point where I get a little shiver and the uncanny feeling that I&#039;m uncovering a kind of truth. I suppose the mark of a coherent narrative world is that you can treat it as a filter on your own experience and the setting doesn&#039;t fall apart.

The counterbalance to that I suppose is to look at how good we are at making patterns and wonder whether it is as much a question of remembering the coincidences that look significant rather than the misses, which may be more numerous but less memorable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working on a story setting for a long while and from time to time when I&#8217;m reading up on history things will have happened in exactly the way the model I&#8217;m creating would expect them to, sometimes to the point where I get a little shiver and the uncanny feeling that I&#8217;m uncovering a kind of truth. I suppose the mark of a coherent narrative world is that you can treat it as a filter on your own experience and the setting doesn&#8217;t fall apart.</p>
<p>The counterbalance to that I suppose is to look at how good we are at making patterns and wonder whether it is as much a question of remembering the coincidences that look significant rather than the misses, which may be more numerous but less memorable.</p>
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		<title>By: Lermontov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lermontov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May well be a lot of truth in that, Mark. I just wish the buggers, whoever or whatever they are, would hand over the rest of my novel-in-progress to me!

It&#039;s a shamanic notion: the writer or poet as a shaman (Seamus Heaney touches upon this in many of his poems) tapping into the Muse or Muses. A scientist would say that - as remarkable as it may seem - it is nothing more than the mind tapping into all the sub-conscious and almost unconscious gathered cultural flotsam and jetsam, then processing it all coherently with a given point of - very often associated - focus. Not anything magical about it, but remarkable in terms of the processing power of the human brain.

Me, I tend to side with John Keats in drinking to the destruction of Newton for explaining the rainbow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May well be a lot of truth in that, Mark. I just wish the buggers, whoever or whatever they are, would hand over the rest of my novel-in-progress to me!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a shamanic notion: the writer or poet as a shaman (Seamus Heaney touches upon this in many of his poems) tapping into the Muse or Muses. A scientist would say that &#8211; as remarkable as it may seem &#8211; it is nothing more than the mind tapping into all the sub-conscious and almost unconscious gathered cultural flotsam and jetsam, then processing it all coherently with a given point of &#8211; very often associated &#8211; focus. Not anything magical about it, but remarkable in terms of the processing power of the human brain.</p>
<p>Me, I tend to side with John Keats in drinking to the destruction of Newton for explaining the rainbow!</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall that Tolkien once said something similar. When he was writing The Lord of Rings he believed that he was uncovering what really happened, rather than making it up himself. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t have a reference right now. It&#039;s quite possibly somewhere in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall that Tolkien once said something similar. When he was writing The Lord of Rings he believed that he was uncovering what really happened, rather than making it up himself. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t have a reference right now. It&#8217;s quite possibly somewhere in The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien.</p>
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		<title>By: disrepdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>disrepdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe, when I asked you once about where you find your stories you said &#039;stories find writers not the other way round&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe, when I asked you once about where you find your stories you said &#8216;stories find writers not the other way round&#8217;</p>
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